did you read kutschera's rebuttals at all?
No. where is this material?
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JW scientist banned from Institute's WebSite because of Creationistic Views
by GermanXJW inrecently, dr. wolf-ekkehard loennig, a jw working in a leading position at the gene-science-department at the max-planck-institute, has been banned from the institute's website for spreading his view about evolution.
he promotes the so called "intelligents design".
max-planck-institute calles this creationism in disguise.
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JW scientist banned from Institute's WebSite because of Creationistic Views
by GermanXJW inrecently, dr. wolf-ekkehard loennig, a jw working in a leading position at the gene-science-department at the max-planck-institute, has been banned from the institute's website for spreading his view about evolution.
he promotes the so called "intelligents design".
max-planck-institute calles this creationism in disguise.
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Those who spent much time putting down those who dare believe that a God exists that has done something in history may find the following article of interest. Henry F. Schaefer III has published hundreds of articles and has won many awards for his work, proving claims about "ID scientists are stupid" wrong. Many of his articles relate to ID. Note that "Schaefer is the author of more than 975 scientific publications" Not bad for an out of the closet Intelligent design creationist supporter! ! From Chemical & Engineering News for May 12, 2003: The ACS Maryland Section and Johns Hopkins University have selected Henry F. Schaefer III of the University of Georgia as recipient of the 2003 Remsen Award. Schaefer received a bachelor's degree from MIT in 1966 and received his Ph.D. from Stanford University. After 18 years at the University of California, Berkeley, he served as Wilfred T. Doherty Professor of Chemistry and as the inaugural director of the Institute for Theoretical Chemistry at the University of Texas, Austin. He subsequently moved to the University of Georgia, where he is currently the Graham Perdue Professor of Chemistry and director of the Center for Computational Quantum Chemistry. His other academic appointments have included visiting professorships at the University of Paris, the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), and the Australian National University. Schaefer is the author of more than 975 scientific publications and has been an Alfred P. Sloan Research Fellow and a Guggenheim Fellow. He is also a recipient of the ACS Award in Pure Chemistry, the ACS Leo Hendrik Baekeland Award, the Schroedinger Medal, the Centenary Medal of the Royal Society, and the 2003 ACS Award in Theoretical Chemistry. The Remsen Award was established in 1946 to commemorate the career of Ira Remsen--the first professor of chemistry and the second president at Johns Hopkins University--as a chemist, educator, and administrator. The Remsen Award lecturers are chemists of outstanding achievement, in keeping with Remsen's long and devoted career as a proponent of the highest standards in teaching and research in chemistry. The Remsen Award consists of a scroll and a cash honorarium, which will be presented at an awards banquet on the evening of Thursday, May 29, at Johns Hopkins.
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Do Creationists Publish in Reputable Journals?
by Escargot in(8) "convergence spaces and nonstandard compactifications," math.
(8) "convergence spaces and extensions of maps," math.
(9) "convergence spaces and perfect maps," math.
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Jerry Bergman
Now what does this have to do with the real subect (sic) of this thread (not just the subject line). Or did you even read it? Henry F. Schaefer III has published hundreds of articles and has won many awards for his work, proving the claims here wrong. Many of his articles clearly relate to ID. My post said that "Schaefer is the author of more than 975 scientific publications." He is a major American scientist.
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Do Creationists Publish in Reputable Journals?
by Escargot in(8) "convergence spaces and nonstandard compactifications," math.
(8) "convergence spaces and extensions of maps," math.
(9) "convergence spaces and perfect maps," math.
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Jerry Bergman
Now what does this have to do with the real subect (sic) of this thread (not just the subject line). Or did you even read it? Dr. Henry F. Schaefer III has published hundreds of articles and has won many awards for his scientific work, proving the claims here wrong. Many of his articles relate to ID.
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JW scientist banned from Institute's WebSite because of Creationistic Views
by GermanXJW inrecently, dr. wolf-ekkehard loennig, a jw working in a leading position at the gene-science-department at the max-planck-institute, has been banned from the institute's website for spreading his view about evolution.
he promotes the so called "intelligents design".
max-planck-institute calles this creationism in disguise.
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Jerry Bergman
What happened to all the material that I posted on here?? It is now gone. Was it censored???
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JW scientist banned from Institute's WebSite because of Creationistic Views
by GermanXJW inrecently, dr. wolf-ekkehard loennig, a jw working in a leading position at the gene-science-department at the max-planck-institute, has been banned from the institute's website for spreading his view about evolution.
he promotes the so called "intelligents design".
max-planck-institute calles this creationism in disguise.
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His private view is that young-earth creationism is the correct view of the origin of everything, but he's politically savvy enough not to promote such blatantly whacked-out views . I know Phil and have followed his work for years. He has always been openly very critical of YEC but recently has softened his position against them somewhat (but would not be described as a YEC).
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JW scientist banned from Institute's WebSite because of Creationistic Views
by GermanXJW inrecently, dr. wolf-ekkehard loennig, a jw working in a leading position at the gene-science-department at the max-planck-institute, has been banned from the institute's website for spreading his view about evolution.
he promotes the so called "intelligents design".
max-planck-institute calles this creationism in disguise.
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From what I gathered Dr. Lönnig is not a JW. He is a highly
credentialed and published biologist, with a position at a major prominent research institute.
So that you are spared searching for the full information, here is
the private home page of Dr. Lönnig, established after the materials were
"removed" from his Max-Planck Institute home page:
http://www.we-loennig.de/
The controversy is described in a series of articles and correspondence
linked from:
http://www.vdbiol.de/debatten/evolution/evolution.html
His official home page at the Max Planck Institüt für Züchtungsforschung
(Max Planck Institute for Plant Breeding Research):
http://www.mpiz-koeln.mpg.de/~loennig/
where he is a group leader in the Department of Molecular Genetics
(which obviously some people think is not relevant to evolutionary theory).
The review article he coauthored in Annual Reviews of Genetics sounds very
interesting. The Annual Reviews volumes are the most prestigious in each of
the many fields they cover; the articles are commissioned from the leading
experts, and I am sure are carefully reviewed by the prominent scientists
who serve as editors and are named on the cover of the volume. The article
cannot be dismissed as "not peer-reviewed".A scientist friend wrote him as follows:
Lieber Herr Dr Loennig!
Gestatten Sie, daß ich auf Englisch schreibe, Blind-Kopien werden zu
gemeinsammen Mitstreiter geschickt.
I know about you from my involvement with Wort und Wissen und know Sigfried
Scherer well. I appreciate very much the stand you are taking!
We are very "encouraged" by prof. Kutschera's statements in NATURE 423
(2003): 116 8 May 2003. I wish I could agree with him, that Intelligent
Design is making solid in-roads in German academia, we both know this is a
brutally difficult battle accompanied by much prejudice.
There is a reason Dr Kutschera is overreacting in panic: Darwinism as a
theory only survives by demanding a monopoly on acceptable theories. As an
explanation for things like the origin of the genetic code or novel
metabolic networks the theory is worthless.
The fact that the MPI is refusing all possibility of scientific discussion
on this matter might be a big help: I will pass this news on to show others
why my (our) views are not being widely discussed in Germany: because it is
de facto forbidden!
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Do Creationists Publish in Reputable Journals?
by Escargot in(8) "convergence spaces and nonstandard compactifications," math.
(8) "convergence spaces and extensions of maps," math.
(9) "convergence spaces and perfect maps," math.
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Not bad for an out of the closet Intelligent design creationist supporter! ! This is from Chemical & Engineering News online for May 12, 2003:
The ACS Maryland Section and Johns Hopkins University have selected Henry F. Schaefer III of the University of Georgia as recipient of the 2003 Remsen Award. Schaefer received a bachelor's degree from MIT in 1966 and received his Ph.D. from Stanford University. After 18 years at the University of California, Berkeley, he served as Wilfred T. Doherty Professor of Chemistry and as the inaugural director of the Institute for Theoretical Chemistry at the University of Texas, Austin. He subsequently moved to the University of Georgia, where he is currently the Graham Perdue Professor of Chemistry and director of the Center for Computational Quantum Chemistry. His other academic appointments have included visiting professorships at the University of Paris, the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), and the Australian National University. Schaefer is the author of more than 975 scientific publications and has been an Alfred P. Sloan Research Fellow and a Guggenheim Fellow. He is also a recipient of the ACS Award in Pure Chemistry, the ACS Leo Hendrik Baekeland Award, the Schroedinger Medal, the Centenary Medal of the Royal Society, and the 2003 ACS Award in Theoretical Chemistry.
The Remsen Award was established in 1946 to commemorate the career of Ira Remsen--the first professor of chemistry and the second president at Johns Hopkins University--as a chemist, educator, and administrator. The Remsen Award lecturers are chemists of outstanding achievement, in keeping with Remsen's long and devoted career as a proponent of the highest standards in teaching and research in chemistry. The Remsen Award consists of a scroll and a cash honorarium, which will be presented at an awards banquet on the evening of Thursday, May 29, at Johns Hopkins. -
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Maybe I'm missing something about this particular Creationist's arguement..
by Abaddon inhere we have an article about the dodo by dr. jerry bergman;.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/1172.asp.
it discusses the reasons for the dodoes extinction and concludes;now that the bird has been extensively studied, we realize that the facts do not support the evolutionary myth, but do support the moral bankruptcy of humankind.. .
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Jerry Bergman
a) as we said already in anotherthread....the 95% are in regard to the entire genome....not just the coding sequences !
So? The research shows we are finding uses for the entire genome and we will, I believe, find a function for the entire genome.
b) also as stated already somewhere else...probability calculations are rediculous if one doesn'T know the underlying concepts.
Good point!
c) right away the first book in your list was refuteted already by experts in the field....if you are interested do a google search.
I have read everything I can find and find and it is clear that the refutations are totally deficient, to say the least. When you get life, as per the standard biological definition of life, in the most reducible unit, the quark, then you will have disproved Behe.
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Maybe I'm missing something about this particular Creationist's arguement..
by Abaddon inhere we have an article about the dodo by dr. jerry bergman;.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/1172.asp.
it discusses the reasons for the dodoes extinction and concludes;now that the bird has been extensively studied, we realize that the facts do not support the evolutionary myth, but do support the moral bankruptcy of humankind.. .
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Another must read.
Darwin's Proof The Triumph of Religion Over Science Hunter, Cornelius G.ISBN: 1587430568 Price: US $17.99 Trim Size: 6 x 9 Pages:176 Release Date:May
03
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He who controls the definitions controls the debate, and when the debate
turns to evolution, the Darwinists are certainly in control. Defining
evolution as scientific fact, they dismiss alternative explanations. Their
definition, however, is incomplete. According to Cornelius Hunter, "there is
much more in Darwin's theory than just science." In Darwin's Proof, Hunter
confronts Darwin's theory of evolution head-on, revealing its scientific,
philosophical, and theological limitations.
Following the success of Darwin's God, Hunter delves more deeply into the
issues raised in that book. He exposes the weaknesses in evolution's
scientific "proof" and reveals its philosophical contradiction: Darwinists
vehemently claim that religion plays no role in their theory, but they rely
on assumptions of God's character in order to argue that he couldn't have
made this world. And given that creation is not possible, they argue,
evolution is then the only other alternative.
Hunter shows how Western religious traditions in the centuries leading up to
Darwin laid the foundation for evolution. Natural theology, in particular,
promoted an unscriptural doctrine of God that ultimately led to a distancing
of God from creation and Darwin's theory of evolution. Finally, Hunter offers
readers a reason for hope-everyone agrees that the world is magnificent yet
marred, yet only the Bible can adequately explain why this is so.
Critical thinkers who are looking for an intelligent response to evolution's
overconfidence will welcome this bold statement, and it will have enormous
appeal for Christians who want a scientific, philosophical, and theological
response to the claims of evolution.
AN EXCERPT:
It is said that he who controls the definitions controls the debate. Nowhere
is this more true than in the public debate over evolution. Practically since
Charles Darwin first proposed the theory of evolution its adherents have
insisted that the controversial idea is a fact. The details may not all be
known, they allow, but the overarching idea is not in question. Obviously,
defining evolution to be a fact makes Darwinists instant winners in any
debate. And while skeptics do not accept this lofty designation, they
nonetheless usually agree that evolution is science. In fact they often go
out of their way to point out that evolution is a scientific theory. Their
point is that evolution is not a fact, but merely a theory which could turn
out to be wrong.
BUT SHOULD THE EVOLUTION DEBATE BE SO NARROWLY FOCUSED? THE QUESTION OF WHETHER EVOLUTION IS SCIENTIFIC FACT OR THEORY MISSES THE BIGGER ISSUE
REGARDING EVOLUTION'S NONSCIENTIFIC INFLUENCES. THE TENDENCY TO CATEGORIZE EVOLUTION AS SOMETHING SCIENTIFIC, WHETHER COMPELLING OR A MERE POSSIBILITY, RUNS THE RISK OF MISIDENTIFYING EVOLUTION ALTOGETHER. AND THERE IS REASON TO THINK THAT A NEW CATEGORY IS NEEDED, FORE THERE IS MUCH MORE IN DARWIN'S THEORY THAN JUST SCIENCE.
Author info
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Cornelius G. Hunter, formerly senior vice president of Seagull Technology,
Inc., in Silicon Valley, is engaged in molecular biophysics post-doctoral and
engineering research in Cameron Park, California. He is the author of
Darwin's God.
Endorsements
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"The most perceptive analysis of the Darwinian controversy I have seen.
Hunter teaches you a wealth of recent biological findings, and in a nuanced
way looks at the conclusions that can be fairly drawn." - Lawrence Johnston,
University of Idaho
Table of Contents
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1. Darwin's Deceptive Idea
2. Swallowing a Camel: The Fundamental Argument against Evolution
3. Swallowing a Camel: The Fundamental Argument against Evolution, Part II
4. Straining at the Gnat: The Scientific Argument against Evolution
5. Straining at the Gnat: The Scientific Argument against Evolution, Part II
6. Blind Guides: The Philosophical Argument against Evolution
7. Another Gospel: The Theological Argument against Evolution
8. A Reason for Hope: The Only Explanation for Life
9. What Has Been Made: One Long Parable
10. Come Let Us Reason: The Intelligent Design Theory
Appendix: Faulty Arguments for and against Evolution